Friday, November 14, 2008

Prop 8 & Bad Assumptions

For the record, I voted No on 8 and donated money to the cause (which, lol, almost bounced until I caught it -- because I'm a broke, disorganized, but committed! grad student), even though my politics are a little ambivalent when it comes to gay marriage. My work to end homophobia and sexism in Black communities is an on-going project for me. Forward, Black queer feminism.

That said, I am simmering in frustration with some of the white queer discourse on prop 8 and Black people, which has been stunningly flat and simplistic. Here is a pretty good summary of what has gone down so far. In short, there is some race-based exit poll data about who voted for prop 8 (against gay marriage) and who voted against it (for gay marriage). Turns out, according to a CNN exit poll (which has been called into question), Black folks voted for Prop 8 at a rate of 70%, while 49% of white folks, 53% of Latino folks, 49% of Asian folks, and 51% of the mysterious “other” voted for Prop 8. So, we can see that of the small number of Black Californian voters, we disproportionately voted against gay marriage, which is troubling and should definitely be addressed. However, the discussion has been resembling more of an uproar about the Black "Bigots!" that hate gays and lesbians (because, let's face it, there is no such thing as a B or a T unless we're talking about a sandwich) who are clearly against fundamentally American things like love and family. Black people are no good, I tell you. No. Good.

I get that we're upset that 8 passed and the meanings that this carries, but the sudden move to blame Black people first and foremost is truly a disturbing example of poor analysis and white entitlement. I will not argue the numbers here, others have already done such a fantastic job at this. I am also not going to discuss how problematic it is that marriage has ended up becoming the defining issue of queer dignity and queer liberation, and how this marginalizes other issues that low-income queer people and queer people of color may prioritize over marriage, such as poverty and incarceration, undermining potentially amazing opportunities for coalition building. Again, others have already done such a great job at this. I also recommend Cathy Cohen's work, which has been brilliant on this score, particularly her essay, "Punks, Bulldaggers, & Welfare Queens: The Radical Potential of Queer Politics?"


Instead, I want to try to unpack the unhelpful liberal, individualist, rights-based framework in which this debate is being waged. It goes something like this: LGBT people should have the right to marry. Prop 8 takes away this right. Most Black voters in California voted to take away this right by voting for Prop 8. How could they when they "too" have been victims of having no civil rights? Racism should have taught black people more empathy for others who have no civil rights, "just like" they once experienced (a long, long time ago, you know, before Obama). In this case, oppression is defined as follows:

Black people not allowed to vote = lack of civil right = racism

Makes no sense why those people wouldn't be on our side, they know what "it's like." Therefore, Black people must be homophobes because oppression is defined as follows:

Gays & lesbians not allowed to marry = lack of civil right = homophobia

People are homophobic because they are hateful. Black people are more homophobic than others. Therefore they are more hateful than others, or put another way, morally inferior to white people (and, apparently, other people of color). That's the only rational explanation for why a group of people who have been the victim of oppression (read: having been denied specific civil rights), turn around and do the "same thing" to another group of people.

It's like trying to do analysis in a very tight and narrow little hallway of very bad assumptions. Here are some assumptions that this view makes which, I believe, are false:

1. How racist or homophobic a person is is measurable by objective and scientific means.

2. The only reason why an individual would make a choice to participate in oppression is because she is a VERY BAD PERSON.

3. If you disagree with (2), you do not believe that oppressed people are agents and should be held accountable for their actions.

4. Oppression is oppression. It is wrong to engage in "oppression olympics" and it's totally fine to think of one "civil rights" problem as being in the same category (at most, it's a difference of degree, not difference of a kind).

5. If you disagree with (4), you are just wallowing in your superior victimhood and you refuse to be accountable with your own complicity in perpetuating the oppression of other people.

6. Historical trajectories of oppression mean nothing. We only live in the present and only what's happening now counts.

So, over the past week or so, I have seen primarily rich white men (some gay, some not) operate within these assumptions. It's frustrating. And lazy. Let's take a look at the assumptions.

Assumption 1. How racist or homophobic a person is is measurable by objective and scientific means.

For example, Dan Savage takes a stand:

"I do know this, though: I’m done pretending that the handful of racist gay white men out there—and they’re out there, and I think they’re scum—are a bigger problem for African Americans, gay and straight, than the huge numbers of homophobic African Americans are for gay Americans, whatever their color."

To be honest, I'm not even sure what he means here. Sounds like he feels brave somehow in proclaiming that there are only a "handful" of gay white men, but the numbers of homophobic Black folks are "huge." I'm not sure where he's getting those numbers, but if I had to guess, it's probably something about gay white men across the U.S. voting for Obama (flagging that they are not racist) and 70% of Black Californians who voted on Prop 8 giving it a yes vote (flagging that they are homophobic). There are so many problems here. First, Savage has no data, so the comment is just irresponsible and lazy outright. Second, trying to measure exactly how racist and/or homophobic people are is practically impossible, and it certainly isn't done by using how you voted as a measuring stick. Hell, even the Nazis got desperate enough to throw some votes Obama's way. Racism, homophobia, and other oppressions cannot be objectively measured.

That said, I think it may be fair to presume that if a person voted to end marriage rights for folks in same sex couples, she is probably homophobic -- that is frightened, in some way, of queerness. But I'm not sure it makes her a "bigot," a word that I never use, even though I tend to be an angry Black girl, because it doesn't mean anything to me. The reality is that racism (and other oppressions) is pervasive. It is like air, it's everywhere integrated into our social systems and subconsciouses. Just because a person hasn't called anyone a nigger this morning doesn't mean that all is right with her world as it relates to racism. But, because we can count how many times we've called folks names, or we can assess people's voting patterns, or we can count how many times we've had sex with a person of the same gender or a different race, we think these are the things that will lead us to an objective quantitative assessment of exactly how fucked up we are or are not. Part of the existential problem of oppression is that an objective measurement of who is fucked up and exactly how fucked up they are is not possible. Sorry. That brings us to...

Assumption 2. The only reason why an individual would make a choice to participate in oppression is because they are bad.

Assumption 3. If you disagree with (2), you do not believe that oppressed people are agents and should be held accountable for their actions.

I think Savage's quote implies (2) and I think many of the commenters in these blog discussions and rallies have reflected this assumption. When people say that someone is a "bigot" or a "racist," they are usually implying that the accused is qualitatively bad in a way the rest of us probably aren't. It makes them special, uniquely unkind and unjust. They are separate from the rest of the world. The individual alone is responsible for her beliefs and anyone in 2008 that has been found to harbor a racist belief is, somehow, particularly bad. That's why white folks freak out if they are accused of being racist, because, well, god, they're not Bull Connor hosing people down and stuff, they just feel a little uncomfortable when they're alone in an elevator with a Black or brown dude. (This was Obama's point when he talked about his grandmother's fears in his April speech on race.) Because "racism" and "bigotry" has come to signify some kind of absolute individual moral failing, it's been practically impossible to say that people are behaving racistly without folks totally freaking out. The accuser is the hysterical one who plays the ultimate card, the race card, in order to impugn a generally decent human being.

This is an error for the same reason that (1) is an error. Racism is pervasive and more complicated than a kind of absolutist moral model. However, instead of adopting a more complicated model of how to understand racism, we just use the same flawed model for other oppressions when other oppressed people feel attacked, in this case, homophobia. The intensity in which the the accusation of "Homophobe!" or "Bigot!" is being applied seems to call for some kind of renunciation of the accused individual. She is a VERY BAD PERSON and that's the end of that.

Except, in this case, the accusation targets a whole group of people instead of an individual. We're talking about the monolothic "Black people" instead of individuals, which can't be done to white people because white people aren't white because white is normative. But, the same kind of individualistic moral renunciation can be directed at Black people as if we were one unified individual. That we're only talking about one state, that many of us in California can't or didn't vote (and , therefore, we have no evidence that 70% of all Black adults in California support taking away the right of queers to marry, much less a percentage of all Black adults in the U.S.), that 30% of us that did vote actually voted no, makes no difference. All that cold water just takes away from the pretty drama of the irony of high Black voter turnout. When Savage uses the descriptive "huge numbers," it's not the much huger numbers of millions of "homophobic" white folks that voted for 8 in California. It's the "huge numbers" of Black people, in general, that he claims are "Homophobes!". (Despite the fact that we're now talking about a pretty small percentage of all those who actually voted yes on 8.) He deftly moves from a discussion of prop 8 to a generalization about Black folks everywhere. The generalization isn't caught by many, it's easy to accept, because {Black people} (the brackets signify a set, rather than what the words mean, a diverse group of people) are understood as a unified collective, one body, and, as such, we are all at once irrevocably guilty of an ugly moral failing that can't be explained away with our race cards and our manipulations of white guilt. Savage is DONE PRETENDING THAT {BLACK PEOPLE} AREN'T CAUSING A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR HIM. Not only are we one person, but he frames himself as doing a brave thing because he's not afraid of the powerful race card because he's not a "Racist!" (who he says are "scum" so he can't possibly be one). He throws down the homophobic bigot card to the one {Black people} that suddenly seems (in a post-Obama age) to somehow hold the golden ticket to gay marriage, even if the same percentage of us had voted no as white people did, it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference. Does not matter in the face of the big black blockade to gay love and happiness.

The idea behind assumption (3) is that if you do not believe that {Black people} are (is?) bad for being "Homophobic bigots!" then you are exercising, shall we say, the soft bigotry of low expectations. That is, if you want to argue that there are more complicated reasons that Black folks voted yes on 8 other than that they are fundamentally immoral people, then you are not treating them like adults who should be accountable for their actions. Besides my argument here about the unsatisfying ways in which the accusations of "racist," "homophobic," and "bigots" are used, I will address this point while debunking...

Assumption 4. Oppression is oppression. It is wrong to engage in "oppression olympics" and it's totally fine to think of one "civil rights" problem as being in the same category (at most, it's a difference of degree, not difference of a kind).

For example, Keith Olbermann's "special comment" about prop 8. I know a lot of people were really moved by this video, and I am trying to respect that. However, besides generally being annoyed with Keith Olbermann's tendency towards self-importance, I was pretty taken aback with this excerpt:

"Marriages among slaves were not legally recognized. You know, just like marriages today in California are not legally recognized."

Yeah, that comment is special alright. That shit is irritating. Do you really want to argue that the situation of non-marriage in chattel slavery is "just like" prop 8? Enslaved people were not "allowed" to marry because (1) they were considered to be animals, (2) they didn't own their bodies, (3) slave sexuality was seen primarily as potential for a free labor force, (4) they were subject to sexual and reproductive violence as a demonstration that they and their offspring and their families did not belong to themselves or each other... I could go on, but I can't believe I even have to make this argument. Olbermann needs to read a book or something about slavery and rape and reproduction and creating a slave labor force and "following the condition of the mother" and all that other stuff before he says something else really stupid and offensive. I mean, seriously, this is what passes as political analysis? His fucking Edward R. Murrow award should be revoked.

But, alas, I am not surprised at rich white man number two. A liberal individualist framework has a reductive view of rights, rather than a rich, multi-dimensional, historicized analysis of oppression. Slaves? Well, they simply did not have the "right" to marry. Just like LGBT folks nowadays. Both are equally evil. Unless you're being more generous, in which case the liberal might allow that slavery was "worse" than not allowing gay marriage, but she won't argue that there is a difference of a kind, just of degree, because a right is a right. This foul analysis gives us this assumption...

Assumption 5. If you disagree with (4), you are just wallowing in your superior victimhood and you refuse to be accountable with your own complicity in perpetuating the oppression of other people.

That is why we end up with claims like, "{Black people} know what it's like to be discriminated against. Why are they doing to us what happened to them?" White liberals are the first ones to utilize the history of racial violence to demonstrate why another oppression is also bad. "Just like segregation..." "Just like lynching..." Rights are like baseball cards that can be traded because their essential nature is the same.

But this shit is not the same. I don't have to argue that it's worse to assert that it ain't the same. The history of racial violence against Black people since we were brought to these shores to this very day is unique and wholly disturbing. There are lessons we can learn from that history that we can thoughtfully apply to other situations. There are connections between this and other trajectories of colonization and subjugation. But I'm noticing that there are some white folks that feel pretty entitled to rustle around Black history like some kind of curious anthropologist, picking out things that are convenient for them to use, often to legitimize their own experiences of oppression.

To be real, before this prop 8 stuff hit the fan, I was more tolerant of the parallel that some white queers drew between the Black Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and the more recent LGBT Civil Rights Movements. I thought it might be a useful strategy. However, with all the sturm und drang of the past week, I'm beginning to see how this usage gets boiled down to a tit for tat strategy: We have your back (i.e. voted for Obama, sympathy to the story of the Black Civil Rights Movement), why don't y'all have ours? We (as of 2008) think that U.S. slavery was totally wrong, why don't y'all get that banning gay marriage is wrong? Or Jon Stewart's joke (third rich white guy) that as soon as Black people "made it" with Obama, it only took us 24 hours to use that brand new power against gay folks. Tolerance goes "both ways." "If {your people} want to call me a faggot, I can call you nigger." I'm not even picking on the fellow who gave us that last gem, I really think this is the essential point that Olbermann, Savage, and others are making. It's the same thing. A right is a right. A slur is a slur. There is no substantial difference.

While I have argued that this is the wrong way to think about oppression, I do not believe that just because something is different than something else doesn't mean that it doesn't have it's own moral weight. Just because I think not legalizing gay marriage isn't "just like" not legalizing marriage under chattel slavery (seriously, I can barely write that without making a face), doesn't mean that I don't think that prop 8 doesn't have it's own profound moral significance. I don't understand the "oppression olympics" critique that you can't argue that instances of oppression are worse than others. Of course, some things are different, and in some cases worse, than others. (It doesn't make sense to say something like, patriarchy is worse than colonization, because the two phenomena are much too broad, complex, and intersecting to draw a decent comparison. And it doesn't make sense to make a qualitative comparison about which of all the holocausts was the worst. However, I'm not going to argue that my experience with the racial profiling cop, though surely fucked up, is "just like" when Harriet Jacobs was sexually stalked by her slave master. That's obviously false and, more to the point, disrespectful.) You don't abandon the right to assert that other things are unjust by granting this seemingly self-evident point.

That said, I wouldn't argue that this gives anyone a get out of accountability free card. Black people (like all people) have some work to do when it comes to getting our shit together around homophobia. But it does make the conversation about accountability a little more complicated. It's interesting, white folks can use our history to legitimize their own suffering, but then have a completely de-historicized way of thinking about Black people's choices and accountabilities. Which brings me to...

Assumption 6. Historical trajectories of oppression mean nothing. We only live in the present and only what's happening now counts.

Here's the thing about Black people and homophobia and patriarchy. Black people have been targeted with some shit that white people have not. Our ancestors faced sexual and reproductive violence as slaves, sexualized terrorism during the lynching movement at the turn of the century, forced sterilization during the U.S. eugenics movement, the 1965 Moynihan report that targeted Black women's reproductive and sexual integrity, more forced sterilization in the 1970s and 80s, the welfare queen debacle in the 1980s and 90s, etc. This is to say that Black sexuality has been on the fucking auction bloc since the get. We've been poked, prodded, raped, sold, and cut open primarily as a result of our sexual and reproductive capacities.

There's no real way to measure this, but a reasonable theory could go something like this: Black folks, in general, have a lot more to lose on the battleground of sexuality. Is there any wonder that, after our bodies have been brutally targeted for centuries, after surviving attempts of Black genocide, and even now, while experiencing more sexual violence in prisons (Black people of all genders, that is) because we're disproportionately incarcerated, that there's slightly more skittishness around what gets to be perceived as sexual normalcy. So, you might get a sexual conservative streak in a Black Christian tradition. Perhaps the desire to conform to a Western model of sexual normalcy is a move to prove that we are worth keeping around. Perhaps the possibility that Black folks are slightly more homophobic than, say, white folks, in general, could be related to this crazy history of sexual violence that is not shared by white folks. Folks may think they have more to lose. If we are just "normal enough," maybe we'll get a pass.

As I've mentioned before on this blog, I just recently finished Paula Giddings' new biography of Ida B. Wells and now I'm working on re-reading Harriet Jacobs' Incidents In The Life of A Slave Girl. One thing that I find striking is Wells' and Jacobs' constant and urgent defense of the integrity of Black women's sexuality. I find it heartbreaking, this need to prove that Black women are not animals. To feel it a duty to assert the dignity of Black sexuality because it certainly is not assumed.

I know this can read like a messy pop psychology analysis, so I apologize for that. But, I don't really see how a conversation about Black homophobia can be had without considering the glaring context of hundreds of years of on-going sexual trauma and violence, and how that trauma and fear, gets passed along across generations.

So, what does that mean for accountability? I think it's critical to check ourselves and each other around homophobia, which will require addressing those generational wounds. The opportunities for Black people inherent in sexual liberation for all of us are rich and manifold. And, while there is a lot of homophobia in our communities (as there is in all racial communities in the U.S.), my sense is that things are getting better overall due to the work of Black feminists and queers and Black folks that are pro-feminist and pro-queer. I also believe that this history with its difficult consequences doesn't mean that we can't be morally culpable for our own behavior. But I don't think it's productive, or even true, for that to take the form of calling people "Bigots!". As I've said, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean except that you're A VERY BAD PERSON, which is too simplistic for the complicated realities of oppression.

However, in a liberal rights-based view on these issues, all this history is just a noisy deck of race card excuses whining away accountability. Except when Black history of violence can be used for the purposes of showing how oppressed white people are today. Then it's A-okay. Also, as I am editing this post, I just got an e-mail calling prop 8 a pogrom. That shit is not cool! We don't need to say that prop 8 is a pogrom (which means massacre), or it's "just like" denial of marriage under chattel slavery (which, not to belabor the point, but seriously, wtf?), to defend the position that the passage of prop 8 is a terrible event that should have a powerful response (if gay marriage is how we're going to do queer liberation, which, of course, is still up for some debate).

So, I move that if white folks, including oppressed white folks, want to take the time to assert histories of racial trauma and violence against Black folks for illustrative purposes, they can not do so to lecture or shame us (which, frankly, is how I took Olbermann's "special comment"), but should instead humbly reflect on how those histories (since they suddenly seem so interested in them) might have brought all of us to the place of struggle where we are today. I know that's a lot to ask, especially of rich white men who have felt morally superior this week like Dan Savage, Keith Olbermann, Andrew Sullivan, and, yes, even my favorite rich white guy, Jon Stewart. But I think this will help all of our movements step up our game a little more, so I make the motion anyway and sincerely hope it passes.

13 comments:

Towanda said...

I'm a new reader (found this via Alma del Fuego, where I'm a new reader as well)...anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm a white lesbian, and I agree with all that you've said. Which I hope doesn't sound patronizing, because that's not how I mean it. What I mean, is that I appreciate, and need, this kind of analysis in order to be sure I'm being a good ally for folks whose situation and history I in no way can understand.

I would add as that I'm very interested in the level of white outrage over Prop 8 passing and the energy around protesting it...while white folk are nearly invisible protesting things like the ever-increasing number of ICE raids...

Anyay, thanks.

Bq said...

thanks for this! i've been engaging in this stupid back and forth on a campus queer org list (and I know I shouldn't...bloody waste of energy). But it's pretty much like all of these assumptions packed into one 3 page long collection of bs. You unpacked it more thoroughly than I can hope to.

whatsername said...

Incredibly thoughtful and thorough post, thanks a lot for taking the time to write it.

Michelle said...

I am going to vent, is that ok? ("asking" as I go on to do it anyway):

I just read a dailykos diary about a anti-Prop 8 protest in Riverside, CA: Being Part of History: Inland Empire Prop 8 Protest

The hyperbole is over the top. How does this kind of description help anything? Other than deeply disrespect and objectify the people who actually put their bodies on the line in the face of real and serious danger and violence?

The diary began: Today I got a taste of what it must have been like in Selma for the civil rights marchers, or in Stonewall for the queens. This is our community's Selma. This is our generation's Stonewall.

So I'm thinking: whoa, there was some sort of real physical danger this person put him/her self in. What happened? Did the cops hurt protesters? Is s/he okay? Did people get hurt, threatened etc? (and I lived in the "Inland Empire" for a time and I knew of a city council member who got a death threat, by a man who drove up her driveway with a gun, because she called for an anti-war proclamation... and some of the people I knew suspected the police were involved in that because things were weird like that there...So I read that first sentence and got a little concerned)

So. Early on the writer says: My knees and ankles hurt from the arthritis and the beating I gave them today while at the protest. But oh, was it ever worth it.

and then later:

We marched from City Hall up to Market, then to Mission Inn and around the big circle to Main and back again. It was quite a workout for us and I know I'm going to pay for it all weekend, but I don't care. It was worth it.

Oh, I see. Protest that is this generation's Selma or Stonewall ... is sort of kind of like going to the gym for a "workout" and pushing yourself too hard, I guess. But it's worth it!

We got a lot of enthusiastic honks and waves, and only one middle finger. Of the non-honkers, a lot of people looked at the four of us (my husband was behind us with his sign "CAN I VOTE ON YOUR MARRIAGE NOW?") and looked away, whereupon I shouted "Can't look my kids in the face, can you! That's what your vote for 8 did - it hurt my kids! Happy now?" I got more than a few cheers from the crowd for that.

Oh the danger!

And it gets worse!

We ran into friends from church and friends from school; we got interviewed by a writer for a local magazine. We passed around a bottle of water in the shadow of City Hall and got some stickers for the back of the car:

And, in keeping with the situation with the actual Selma marches and Stonewall riots....

We managed to stay from the start until about noon, and then my knees and ankles gave out and the girls were thirsty, so we got food and went home.

But see, we're not talking about actual reality when it comes to Selma and Stonewall.

To my perception, this is the Disney version, protest as fun tourism, a sort of Protest Theme Park approach in which the participants FEEL like they have participated in something historic but don't actually have to deal with nasty stuff like beatings and blood and police coming after you.

Because after all the purpose of a protest is not to strategically push for change. it's to have a good experience. As the writer clearly did:

It was great. And the girls being participants in the civil rights fight of this century was... beyond great. It was historic. They will be able to tell their kids and grandkids about this. A friend of mine said, "I couldn't stay for the whole thing, but I went, and I will always have that. I was there."

Truly. It's a Theme Park thing. Be Part of History, safe and sanitized and a good experience for all.

The fact that the person writing this made this comparison shows another reason why I am so disgusted with the marriage equality movement's over-the-top movement analogies.

I'm not saying people should be hurt when protesting or it's invalid. I've been on many marches for many things and I appreciate it when no one gets hurt and/or arrested, and the macho types who want to have trouble for the glory of it really annoy me.

No, it's this practice of exaggeration and self-righteous but entirely ungrounded hyperbole -- and the spirit it comes from -- that gets to me. And, it's the self-referntial egotism that says that protesting is mainly about having a good experience... ugh.

I am so sick of this. So sick of it. The unreality continues and deepens.

@#^$%$$@%$#@

AnthonyS said...

So much of this column resonated with me, not in small part due to my recent experience in a Prop 8 protest in NYC on Wednesday. The crowd was estimated at 10000-15000 people and we started in front of the Mormon Temple across from Lincoln Center and moved down to Columbus Circle. The mood was great and so was the turnout. I first felt so excited that so many people had been moved to turn out for this rally. And then I noticed who made up the crowd. I would estimate it to have been at least 90-95% white, gay male. I was with some friends and I pointed this out to them. They were surprised at first and didn't really have any comments on it. The point is that unless I pointed it out, my white, gay male friends probably wouldn't have noticed. Being a gay, white male myself, it was not the first thought to come to my mind when I first entered. This is why Dan Savage's comment on the "handful of racist gay white men" is so disturbing. The amount of racism I have heard and seen in the gay community is astounding and I am merely an observer. The thought that gay men have internalized the discrimination they have faced and that this makes them more comfortable when it comes to race issues is nonsense. Very few communities that face discrimination eventually internalize it and treat other minorities better. The racism in gay media and personal interactions is astounding and i'm almost glad that Prop 8 has shed light on this issue; for too long people said there was no proof of it.

Anonymous said...

I think it's because white gays, that's the only discrimination they suffer. They don't have to deal with ICE raids and racial profiling. So this is a big deal for them.

that girl w/ issues said...

Welcome and many thanks to the new folks coming through from bfp's link as well as the regular visitors. It really helps my own sense of sanity to read your reflections.

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer for all the lovely rallies today, but in addition to your reflections, a friend reports that a speaker proclaimed gay marriage to be the "greatest civil rights battle of our generation." The weird thing is that, despite the use of the word "greatest," I can't imagine someone questioning this speaker with the "oppression olympics" critique.

However, if I challenged this speaker by saying "Actually, while gay marriage is certainly a critical issue, the devastating ICE raids happening across California and other locations, as well as the long-term wide scale assault (including deportations, rape, torture, and murder) on immigrants, particularly after 9/11, as well as the extraordinary 2006 and on-going mobilizations, seems to emphasize how incredibly significant the civil rights struggle of immigrants is," I know the immediate response would be:

1) "that's oppression olympics and, thus, irrelevant"

or

2) a feeling of resentment because, well, how can you compete with rape, torture, murder, and deportations?

Because people want to have their day, you know? And, in a way, I can respect that. But what they don't see is that they have already made it an olympics, a competition, with comments like these. That they can't have their day without legitimizing it through a stance of superiority.

And maybe this stance of superiority when addressing one's own oppression is something that particularly oppressed white folks, but I think all of us, may need to reflect on more. How do we use the entitlement that we have learned in one realm (in my case, U.S. citizenship is a good example) as a platform and methodology to address the oppression that we experience?

Faith said...

I just found your blog by link from another commenter. Wow and wow. Your level of detail esp with the sexual terrorism and slavery was so on point but I really like the way you tied it all together.

Until the Gay Rights Industrial Complex addresses the dirt on their hands they're only going to get so far.

I also think Black people need to do a lot of internal work period, but with regards to the psychic trauma of sexual assault and continued attack on Black women in the media we have a lot of healing to do.

It makes perfect sense why people would cling to a religious tradition and also be manipulated by religious leaders thinking they were doing the right thing. They're overreacting in a way trying to heal an internal injury. I think I just came up with a new post on my own blog actually.

ripley said...

I found your blog through bfp as well, and I also really like your analysis. I have been uncomfortable with the way a lot of the anti-prop8 arguments have been made, and with the tenor of the protests, and particularly with the way many gay but otherwise very privileged activists have been using the language and imagery of the civil rights movement.

It felt wrong to me on many levels.

Even on a shallow level - re-using that language or those images could be powerful when it works to bring people together (across racial lines especially), but it clearly was/is NOT bringing people together.. it was pissing off a lot of people, especially people of color. so then you have to wonder what's missing from the argument because obviously one can't hector someone else into being on your side by telling them they already are.

anyway you have helped me articulate some of that really clearly, so thank you.

Anonymous said...

This was incredibly well-written and very illuminating to me. This blaming "teh blacks" for the passage of Prop 8 has made me feel very uncomfortable to say the least. You've expressed the problems with that brilliantly, and have given me a lot to think about. THank you.

Craig Hickman said...

Michelle (thank you) brought me here to read this essay and I'm so appreciative and grateful to be here reading this essay.

I, a Black Gay Orphan/Adoptee, haven't been able to fully form words about Barack Obama's election as President of the United States.

But I was able to write this:

EVERYONE knows I love Barack. But I love his wife even more.

A Black woman born Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, a descendant of auction blocks and Daughter of the Ghetto, with chocolate-brown skin and wide hips is going to be the First Lady of the United States of America. That completely blows my mind.

Sojourner “Ain’t I A Woman?” Truth is dancing.

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Sistergirl, you have made my Sunday. I will be re-reading this seminal essay and sending it around.

Thank you.

Liza Cowan said...

Thanks for saying you hated Olberman's stupid diatribe on gay marriage. What a wank. Straight white men should just shut up about queers and about race - except to talk about whiteness AS race, which would be refreshing.

I hated too how he went on about how marriage equality is about Loooove. So not true. The push for Gay marriage is about heteronormative white middle class gay boys and gals wanting their own piece of normal pie. Unlike most political movements, it's not about making sure the pie is equally enjoyed by all.

Marriage was never my issue. Quite frankly I became queer forty years ago so I wouldn't have to get married. But now that the NewGays have made marriage the cherry on the cake - or pie - I wish they'd talk about it in economic terms.

Me? I want a tax structure and health care system that is fair and accessible to every individual living in this country, regardless of marital status or anything else. And that's just for starters.

Thanks for the terrific essay. I appreciate the clarity of your thought.

Mr. M said...

Thank you so much for posting this. I just found your blog and though it's so hard to talk to a number of white lgbtq people about this, I'm glad to know I'm not alone on this issue. Thank you.